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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 19, 2014 10:21:41 GMT -5
"Double, double toil and trouble..."
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Post by richardliriano on May 19, 2014 15:34:49 GMT -5
C. (In reference to all of Act 3 Scene 6). Throughout this whole scene they question all of the deaths that have occurred because it is weird that all of these murders have just happened conveniently. They question it, but my question is if by the end of this scene, were they certain that Macbeth killed all those people because they mentioned Malcolm. Malcolm is certain that Macbeth killed them. So two questions, how Malcolm certain Macbeth did it and how are Lennox and the Lord certain.
D. (In reference to the back and forth between the witches in Act 4 Scene 1). I really enjoyed lines 1–38. They sure were… Something. I mean they were entertaining, but looking at the ingredients in the ‘cauldron’ they are pretty messed up. It was a mix of body parts and spiritual things. I just want to say that the witches are messed up, but it really is entertaining to see how the witches will develop and what they plan to do next.
E. “Liver of blaspheming Jew” (Act 4 Scene 1). The only reason I bring this up is to show how different the times were, I mean the witch was portrayed as evil by Shakespeare and the way this is written it is sort of saying that the Jews were evil. I just wanted to point out how books vary depending on what time they were written. Kind of like the two poems we read in class, 1 was happy about WW1 because it was written before it actually happened and the other was very sad because it was written after WW1. So everything is different depending on the times and I just wanted to point that out.
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Post by konrad on May 19, 2014 15:37:22 GMT -5
C. The play so far has featured the main characters now coming to their ending role of the play, especially Macbeth where he desperately wants to know the future if he will be the only standing king of Scotland or will he lose his head from an rivalry that is more cunning and better than he is. I was wondering about the state at which Macbeth is at and surprisingly he already lost his mind, with the consideration of the concept of abusive power. Why is Macbeth really wanted to know the future even though the prophecies clearly states that Bonquo’s sons will the next reign of kings of Scotland? I know he is trying to seal his throne but there are lots of incidents that allowed his throne not to be secured.
D. “I’ll see no more./And yet the eighth appears, who bears a glass/Which shows me many more. And some I see,/That two-fold balls and treble scepters carry. Horrible sight”(Macbeth 67, Verses 117-121)! This quotation is important to the overall satisfaction of the play because it now shows the starting tread of horror and giving up the last restores that he has left in his pocket for Macbeth. Before Macbeth entered with the witches, there was a meeting between Lennox and an unmentioned lord where they both discuss of a possible operation where Macbeth must be eliminated and the chain of Being must be restored, with a helpful hints and information that Mr. Thomas presented in class of course. Shakespeare brilliantly leaves clues for the audience or the readers that there will be an end of Macbeth soon, but not now. Literature has displayed this surprising climax that allows the readers to be interested on what will happen next to the main characters. Of course, Macbeth must die, but there will a scene at which he is described as an “animal that has lost it abilities to fight and struggling to show strength, but it knows it lost the war but continues on to invent an infamous scene that history will record it forever.”
H. This scene fits great with the movie of Macbeth by Roman Polanski. The scenery of the play and the acting of the characters is not overall perfect, however it gives a sense to viewers that Macbeth is desperately wants to know about his future and tries to do everything in his power to secure his throne, which he tries to do but fails. I do not think this scene should be changed because it fits perfectly when Macbeth finds the witches and the rest of the scene.
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Post by andro on May 19, 2014 15:54:09 GMT -5
C. The mixture of Shakespeare and Thomas M. kind of confused me. I could only tell when Thomas was writing when the witches sang and when he was trying to be like tupac. Trynna bust em rhymes. Sometimes the language got confusing. but trying to make macbeth into a musical is a terrible idea. The witches singing? Might as well make the grinch save christmas
E. These scenes show us how much trouble Macbeth has gotten into. Macduff and Malcolm have talked to the English king to get an army to KILL Macbeth. Thank god for finding the witches. Now Macbeth knows whats coming. But Macbeth seems very selfish to me. He's changed after killing Duncan. All the power and fame has gone to his head. He's turned crazy and would kill anyone who stands in his way.
D. I found it interesting when the witches were talking about what they would eat. We definitely know that they will live forever because they get so much protein. It was amusing, but at the same time, it was disgusting.
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Post by liamgoldfarb on May 19, 2014 18:11:41 GMT -5
I. Responding to Richard’s questions: “Throughout this whole scene they question all of the deaths that have occurred because it is weird that all of these murders have just happened conveniently. They question it, but my question is if by the end of this scene, were they certain that Macbeth killed all those people because they mentioned Malcolm. Malcolm is certain that Macbeth killed them. So two questions, how Malcolm certain Macbeth did it and how are Lennox and the Lord certain.” Malcolm, from right after the murder of King Duncan, is skeptical of the fortunate outcomes of all the deaths taking place in terms of how they turn out for Macbeth. In terms of Lenox and The Lord, they appear to also become skeptical and follow Macduff’s opinions that are similar to those of Malcolm’s.
C. Do you guys think Malcolm will succeed in his attempt to overthrow Macbeth? Will Macbeth maybe settle down and stop his malicious ways of ruling or will he continue to be cruel and mess with the great chain of being? How will Macbeth react to the fortunes he hears in Act 4, scene 1?
E. I believe Macbeth has truly gone crazy, between him talking to himself in previous and his craziness over the witches prophecies. We can see this craziness in the following lines 47 and 48 of Act 4 scene 1: “How now, you secret, black, a midnight hags!/What is’t you do?” These lines show Macbeth’s desperateness, desire and ultimately his craziness over everything going on.
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Post by Ben Ezquerra on May 19, 2014 18:18:09 GMT -5
D. I really enjoyed all of Act 3 Scene 6 when people finally realize who is really behind all of these murders. Macbeth's plan sucked. It was horribly carried out and I'm really happy to see that people are aware of this. I want him to die because of how bad his plan was. I really hope Malcolm gathers up an army, defeats his forces, and splits him right through the middle, the same way Macbeth did with the traitor in the beginning of the book. E. I completely hated all of the parts that were not written by Shakespeare. I don't understand why this is on the official version of the book. It should not even be included. This guy is clearly not as good of a writer as Shakespeare, so why keep it. Also i find it ridiculous how he came up with characters out of nowhere, who is Hecate and why did he have to bring in three more witches into the play? I think it is completely pointless and does not make sense to include this in the book, it's supposed to be Shakespeare's play, not this guy's. I. In response to richardliriano: Macbeth has failed with his plan. It is obvious that he is the real murderer. He tried to make it look like both Banquo's and Duncan's deaths were caused by their sons. Malcolm knows this is not true and so is able to tell, and Lennox and the other lord can just tell because of how flawed Macbeth's plan was.
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Post by loweryj on May 19, 2014 20:08:31 GMT -5
E. “Liver of blaspheming Jew” (Act 4 Scene 1). I’m so glad that someone actually brought this up. This statement is so contemporary for the time period that it was in. I think that is representative of how Anglo-Saxon society would treat people of other religions, even those who are members of the same religion (Catholics). These times were pretty polarizing and they had no sense of racial and ethnic equality.
C. I don’t understand how Act 5 relates to the whole sequence of the story. What was the inspiration for Tom Middleton to write this scene and truly market it as something that was good for Macbeth ? It seems as if this scene was just thrown in by the publishing company to take up space. I don’t understand how this serves any type of purpose. Also, it seems like the singing parts show how the Third Witch decides to stop smoking 50 packs of cigarettes a day, when she does the hgh pitched singing parts.
I. To Liam Goldfarb, I believe that Macduff’s efforts will be successful, because he will fulfill the prophecy. I believe that Macbeth will continue to rule tyrannically, because he can’t shake the ways bestowed to him by his wife, Lady Macbeth.
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Post by john on May 19, 2014 20:32:03 GMT -5
C. In Act 3 Scene 6 we learn about the true thoughts of Lennox and what he really thinks of Macbeth. Lennox seems to be loyal to Macbeth in Act 3 Scene 1 but in this scene he states his concerns with “"Men must not walk too late" and in "the tyrant's feast." Why does Lennox dislike Macbeth? Does he dislike Macbeth? Why be what we call two-faced. Either you like the person or you don’t
B. In Act 4 Scene 1 Macbeth asks, "Shall Banquo's issue ever reign in this kingdom?" Why does Macbeth even consider this? Is he concerned that he will lose his kingdom? If Banquo is such a threat why not just get rid of him? Would the text/story be any different without this quote? I don’t think anything would be different without this quote. I think Macbeth is second guessing himself and his leadership role. Why would Macbeth go to the witches to ask about Banquo?
A. In Act 4 Scene 1 when with the Witches’ casting a spell this kind of reminds me of whickens or even satanic like cult where they look at a pentagram and cast spells on people. Does this really happen in real life? Can a person be cursed by another human that practices whicken or satanic things. I just don’t know or totally understand it all. Very strange to even think about that kind of stuff.
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Post by crocketts16 on May 19, 2014 22:31:16 GMT -5
Macbeth Act 3, Scene 4-5 and Act 4, Scene 1: F. I would guess that the relationship between the witches and the apparitions is that they are the source of the witches’ power. This could also be from where the witches get all of their knowledge of the future. They do however seem to work as equals instead of the witches acting as if they are some almighty gods that they must worship devoutly.
C. How is it possible that Macbeth could have found the witches? He just decided that he would look around and he happened too stumble upon them.-If Macduff went to England to get help to overthrow Macbeth, then how would the King of England Know whether or not it was actually Macduff who killed Duncan and is just trying to cover it all up by killing anybody who may be suspicious, such as Macbeth?
E. From what I understand, Macbeth was told by the witches and the apparitions that he could not be killed by anyone who is born. Is this supposed to mean that nobody, who is alive, can kill him? I believe that this may be a clue that maybe the ghost of Banquo will kill Macbeth. -shane Crockett
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Post by mikealiberti on May 20, 2014 7:01:09 GMT -5
E. I feel that Macbeth's character could be very easily analyzed from the reading that we did yesterday. We see, as what had been happening in the past few scenes the power that Macbeth received when becoming King is getting more and more to his head as the scenes progress. As the three witches return back in these scenes we see Macbeth get more and more paranoid about what they are saying to him. Weird and odd creatures start to come up from the cauldron, that holds the hell broth and this also scares Macbeth as well. A. I feel that Macbeth getting paranoid by what the witches are saying to him one again is relatable because in the very first scene of the play Macbeth encounters these witches and listens to what they tell him to do. We know that after that happens Macbeth commits the murder of Duncan and is nervous about something like that happening again if he listens to the witches. C. I was curious to where Lady Macbeth was throughout these scenes. She seems to just disappear during some acts of the play.
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Post by andrewbotti on May 28, 2014 17:23:59 GMT -5
C) I didn’t really understand what made Malcolm think that he could beat Macbeth so easily. Macbeth is such a powerful king and rules with an iron fist. Why did Malcolm seem so confident that he could just take down Macbeth without an issue? I think Malcolm should rethink what he is doing because the task at hand isn’t as easy as it appears he believes. D) I liked all the lines with the witches telling the prophecy. You could tell that they were truly frightening Macbeth. I think Macbeth was really frightened because he actually believes it deep down. I think that Macbeth knows that he will be overthrown eventually and that he’s afraid of when that day will come. E) This scene shows how deep a hole Macbeth dug himself. Now that he has done all these horrible things, it will allow this prophecy to come true. He feels the guilt deep down and knows that if the prophecy is true that he had it coming. He knows that everything he did was wrong and that he deserves for the prophecy to come true. He won’t show it because of this horrible ego he has grown into.
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Post by thomasclark16 on Jun 4, 2014 19:48:30 GMT -5
E) In Act 3 Scene 6 we se McDuff and Malcolm turn against Macbeth as they ask the king of England to help them fight against Macbeth. Also Lennox begins to be suspicious of all the murders and weird events that have occurred, he noticed this by the easy grieving of Macbeth.
D) The whole scene of the witches rhyming was mysterious and scared Macbeth. The witches put fear into his heart.
B) I feel the Third Apparition the child with the crown and tree in his hand foreshadows because he mentions Macbeth will not be conquered unless the birnam woods march towards Dunsinane. This is foreshadowing because we know McDuff and Malcolm want the king of England to help them rebel against Macbeth.
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