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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 7, 2014 8:48:10 GMT -5
"Is this a dagger that I see before me?"
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Post by johnnydriza on May 7, 2014 14:19:10 GMT -5
D. There's husbandry in heaven; Their candles are all out. Take thee that too. A heavy summons lies like lead upon me, and yet I would not sleep. Merciful powers, Restrain me in the cursed thoughts that nature Gives way to in repose. This quote from Banquo really makes us think about what he is like. He is clearly ambitious and may be somewhat Freddy seeing as he has been thinking nonstop about what his gains might be. Banquo also full expects Macbeth capable of some ruse to expedite his rise to the throne. He warns Macbeth telling him what the possible dangers and consequences might be. This redefines the prior notions he showed in act 1 where he seemed pretty narrow, gullible and simple minded. Banquo is also a loyal character informing Macbeth where his loyalties will lie should he try anything.
C. Lady Macbeth is clearly the dominant woman in this relationship. How is it she was more confident about the seed before it was done then after? She seems very showy and pretentious as a character and it seems like all she does is bluff. Why is she so indecisive?
A. Lady Macbeth's controlling ways remind of the influence if peers and friends today. Everyone tries to get people to try things that they will regret later. For example drugs. Everyone says it's ok to take that hit but it's really not. Many people get convinced to make decisions that they end up regretting for the rest of their life. Lady Macbeth is an example of a person who pressures someone to make a choice,talks a big game but ends up regretting everything once the deed is done.
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Post by konrad on May 7, 2014 16:22:37 GMT -5
C. During the first scene of Act 2, Macbeth is imagining a dagger covered in blood and basically guiding him ultimately to Duncan’s bedroom. Did Macbeth thought of the imaginative dagger with the influence of the witches’ prophecies or is just straight up witchcraft that is happening in this particular scene?
D. “Thou sure and firm-set earth,/Hear not my steps, which way they walk, for fear/Thy very stones prate of my whereabout,/And take the present horror from the time,/Which now suits with it. Whiles I threat, he lives;/Words to the heat of deeds too cold breath gives./I go, and it is done. The bell invites me./Hear it not, Duncan, for it is a knell/That summons thee to heaven or to hell” (Macbeth 25, Verses 56-65). This quotation is important to the overall point of the plot where Macbeth has to a decision that would change his life for this very moment of the play to the last words that he will ever utter. My interpretation of this scene is related to the relationship that Macbeth has with his wife. Of course, we see it in the play that Lady Macbeth basically wants to control the decision-making of Macbeth and she really wants to manipulate Macbeth in a way that she actually convinces him to go with the plan. In addition, the second scene of Act 2 shows the very moment that they think that will caught, but there many false calls here and there, but eventually Macbeth really regrets the murder of his own beloved king. Macbeth’s previous statement in scene 1 is reflected upon the destiny that he has to reach for, no matter wants the cause, even in the loss of life. Macbeth’s thinking abilities has come down to the point where he not stable and does not know if he did the right thing. The overall point is that Macbeth has been manipulative by his wife and the witches to accomplish a task that will make him to a monster in a character and a desperate beggar for forgiveness.
H. The scenery of the play at this point is strongly ties with the imagination of Roman Polanski’s movie Macbeth but, I really want to change the way he did in the movie. In the movie, instead of Lady Macbeth and Macbeth washing hands at the wall, they should actually make an attempt to destroy the evidence by removing the cloths they have and put it in the bucket with ripped clothes that are used to clean the animals or something, that way when the guards are searching through their clothes to find evidence, then there will be none.
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Post by richardliriano on May 7, 2014 16:33:10 GMT -5
(If word is italicized it implies sarcasm)
C. “Is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still. Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible to feeling as to sight? Or art thou but a dagger of the mind, a false creation, proceeding from the heat-oppressèd brain? I see thee yet, in form as palpable as this which now I draw. Thou marshall’st me the way that I was going, and such an instrument I was to use...” (Act 2 Scene 1 Macbeth) In this monologue Shakespeare shows a nice description of the hallucination Macbeth has. Macbeth is saying this alone in his castle hallway and he sees a dagger, as he reaches for it, the dagger moves and leads him to the room that Duncan is sleeping in. Now my question is did Macbeth see the dagger because he subconsciously wanted to see it or is it fates way of telling Macbeth that in order for his prophecy to come true he actually has to do this.
D. I just wanted to first state that in Act 2 Scene 2 we learned that the king looks like Lady Macbeths father in the lines “Had he not resembled my father as he slept I had don’t”. So knowing that I just wanted to point out that not only is Lady Macbeth a controlling and ruthless women but she is also a bit of a hypocrites in this scene. Lady Macbeth said she would kill her actual son if she had promised to do so, but won’t kill a man who just resembles her father. I mean that’s great at least she has morals, so rather than killing Duncan she sent Macbeth, who is apparently her slave, to kill Duncan. Then she also starts to become weak in this scene which also shows how much of a hypocrite she is because she called Macbeth a pussy for saying he wasn’t going to kill someone but the minute it came down to it, she wouldn’t have killed Duncan either. This woman is just something else, as the expression goes.
I. In response to johnydriza I think that she is all bark and no bite. She could talk up a storm but when it comes down to it she just doesn’t do anything and finds any excuse to get out of it. She is indecisive and I would also like to know why.
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Post by liamgoldfarb on May 7, 2014 17:15:58 GMT -5
I. Responding to Konrad’s question: “During the first scene of Act 2, Macbeth is imagining a dagger covered in blood and basically guiding him ultimately to Duncan’s bedroom. Did Macbeth thought of the imaginative dagger with the influence of the witches’ prophecies or is just straight up witchcraft that is happening in this particular scene?” I could honestly answer this question both ways. My first response was that the description of the sword “Is this a dagger which I see before me,/The handle toward my hand? Come let me clutch thee:/ I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.” must be witchcraft because of how supernatural this description is. However, looking at it another way, he can see the sword and whatever he sees but from the description he cannot touch the sword. If he couldn’t touch it, it could not have been real. The other reason for me to think it is part of his imagination is because after he commits the murder, when he is talking to Lady Macbeth, he sees things so maybe the visions from his guilt started from when he was nervous before the murder.
A. The feelings Macbeth experiences after the murder are comparable to the feelings anyone gets after they do something they know they shouldn’t have done. Macbeth feels anxiety and regret. He is nervous he will get caught and like anyone who does something bad it drives him crazy for the scene we saw after the murder.
C. Why is Lady Macbeth the dominant character in her marriage with Macbeth? Is Macbeth really just Lady Macbeth’s puppet?
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Post by loweryj on May 7, 2014 19:01:49 GMT -5
E. In these two scenes, we are starting to see Macbeth and Lady Macbeth’s plan start to fall into motion. We see Macbeth being drawn in by his fate to kill King Duncan. We see that he saw two the two daggers that Lady Macbeth left him with. He sees a floating and ethereal dagger that led him to kill King Duncan, so he could assume the title of King of Scotland. Later, we see a bold Lady Macbeth, who gained that courage through drinking. After the job was done, Macbeth came back and told him about what came out of Donaldbain and Malcolm’s room. My major point of contention is about the statement that Lady Macbeth made, that allowed Richard to call her a hypocrite. “Had he not resembled my father as he slept I had don’t”. I think it may show that she has some element of heart, but she also made statements about killing her own child. I believe that her statements made were much more truthfully, because she was drunk and her guards were put down. When sober, a person is able to keep their guard up and tell lies better.
C. Why does Lady Macbeth leave Macbeth alone after he tells her what happened in Malcolm and Donaldbain’s room ? I forgot about what happened in that slight period in between him telling her and the scene was ending.
I. liamgoldfarb I believe that Lady Macbeth is the dominant character of their marriage, because she bosses him around and tells him to seriously grow a pair. She is leader because she is probably one of the very first feminists of her time. Small pockets of feminists were found during this period and I think that that example is shown perfectly by Queen Elizabeth. She decided not to marry and have kids, so she could lead England in one of its greatest periods. Back to the topic at hand, Macbeth has no choice to be her lap dog, because she is so assertive with him.
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Post by andrewbotti on May 7, 2014 19:34:28 GMT -5
C) I don’t understand Lady Macbeth at all. She is the most confusing character in this story. She is the one who makes herself look like she’s so tough and strong. She even says that she would kill her own baby if she had to. Then, once Macbeth says he doesn’t want to kill Duncan she says that she can’t do it because she’s too pure and clean. She is different every time we see her. I don’t understand why. Is it because she is trying to get into Macbeth’s head? I thought she might just be shocked by the situation she is in but I’m not quite sure. Why does Lady Macbeth keep changing her personality? D) “To know my deed, ‘twere best not know my self.” When Macbeth says this line is when I know that he is losing himself. He says that he no longer knows who he is anymore because of what he did to Duncan. The guilt is already eating him alive and he immediately regrets killing Duncan. You know that Macbeth wishes he hadn’t when he says this line because he is a very level headed man and he says that he no longer knows who he is anymore. E) In Act Two you begin to see Macbeth changing. His personality begins to shift. He starts losing himself once he kills Duncan. He won’t be able to live with the fact that he killed an innocent man and the guilt has already begun to destroy him. You can see a turn for the worst for Macbeth in this scene.
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Post by andrewarabian on May 7, 2014 20:01:33 GMT -5
E: Macbeth is confusing to me. He seems like the type of person that is very easily manipulated and persuaded. This is not a desirable characteristic in a leader. This obviously tells us that he is able to trick people with his physical person to believe he is a powerful person. d: "If you shall cleave to my consent, when 'tis, it shall make honor for you" This shows Macbeth's persuasive traits that allow him to win the judgement of people. He is able to put on a mask and remain great at all times. Just like Odysseus. C: Why does Macbeth not try to get Banque involved in his murder plan? It seems like he is the only person that he actually trusts and is down to earth.
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Post by mikealiberti on May 7, 2014 21:24:14 GMT -5
A. I feel that the way macbeth reacted after he committed the murder of Duncan is very easily relatable. Macbeth was pushed by his wife Lady Macbeth, to go through with the murder and immediately after he commits it you can just see by his word choice the amount of regret and guilt he was feeling at the moment. He says "I wish Duncan would awake from the knocking." He knows the consequences that he is about to face and he knows that the choice he made was very bad. E.I feel that Macbeth's character is filled with regret and guilt through these first two scenes in Act II. He realizes what he did was very wrong and wishes to take back the action he has just committed. He was convinced by his wife to do what he did and now knows that the name of the Thane of Glamis is tainted and knows that it will not be the same. We see Lady Macbeth become a bit hypocritical in the second scene in Act II. C. I'm not sure to where Banquo was during this scene. I feel that he just did not show up after we read about him and his son.
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Post by andro on May 7, 2014 22:18:32 GMT -5
C. I'm a bit confused with Lady Macbeth. It seems as if she changes character. At first, she was going to kill Duncan, butMacbeth ends up killing him. It seems as if she complains too much. She calls Macbeth all these names such as not being a man. It seems as if she doesn't want to get in the act, like she regrets marrying Macbeth.
E. I want to talk about Macbeth's decision. I like Macbeth because he's a courageous and honest man. He resembles life in a whole, in one person. He learns from his mistakes. He seems as if he regrets killing Duncan and this murder will haunt him forever. When he becomes king, until the day he dies. He didn't think through his decision, he just wanted the game and glory. (Like every person today). This tells us that the witches love to play mind games. They don't have to physically hurt you, but they can mentally.
D. Another question is, why does Macbeth take everything that lady Macbeth. Like why isn't Macbeth the man in the marriage. Why does he let lady Macbeth walk over him? He's the man, and that's. What lady Macbeth wants him to be, so be one!
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Post by grispinok16 on May 8, 2014 5:39:05 GMT -5
B. Why Banqou is talking to Macbeth in the castle at night, he says, “So I lose none in seeking to argument it, but still keep my bosom franchis’d and allegiance clear, I shall be counsell’d” (24), his basically saying he won’t make an allegiance with Macbeth if he becomes rouge. This will be important later, because Macbeth does become rouge; however, his wife manipulates the evidence against Macbeth so no one would suspect him of anything. Banqou is a bit suspicious of Macbeth though; he was with Macbeth when he got the “prediction” that he will become king, so he knows he has an incentive.
D. It’s pretty funny why Lady Macbeth doesn’t kill King Duncan. When she is alone, she talks about how she is very confident about this plan but later she says, “Had he not resembled my father as he slept, I had done’t” (26). So he basically says that king Duncan looks like her father and she couldn’t kill him. This statement conflicts with earlier statements saying that she would kill babies and things to that degree. Maybe being drunk had made her a bit less cruel, or does she doesn’t feel to confident in this plan.
C. Why does Macbeth feel so nervous and feel bad about his actions after he killed the king? He is having hallucination of daggers appearing before him and believing that he can’t say Amen anymore. He should know that if he gets caught he is basically a dead man, so he should calm down and possibly kill Banqou since he would be the only one that would suspect him of anything.
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Post by Ben Ezquerra on May 8, 2014 19:48:04 GMT -5
D. I like how they make the owl the harbinger of death. I have never heard of something like this for an owl. Usually when I see an owl I think of wisdom, hunting, and Harry Potter sometimes, but I have never thought of it as an omen of death, that would usually be a crow for me. I find this very interesting and I like it, it seems fitting for an owl. E. I feel like Shakespeare is leaving out the bloody and gory scenes out of the book or out of the scene, we never see anyone getting killed or any action, just events that begin to escalate with terrible plans. I want to read a scene where there actually is a death going on in the stage. If this was a medieval show, I would think it was kind of lame, there is nothing really happening, I would probably end up watching other shows that have better plans or strategy in them and that show a little more on-screen action, like Game of Thrones. I. In response to grispinok16: Macbeth is sake up about it because he liked Duncan and he was a a good guy, he didn't deserve to die, but it was a step that he had to take in order to be the king. And he should not kill Banquo that would just be horrible and even more suspicious. He is also one of the good guys and shouldn't die for that simple reason.
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Post by thomasclark16 on Jun 4, 2014 19:33:22 GMT -5
E) In Act 2 Scene 1 we see Macbeth have a vision. The vision is of a dagger pointing Macbeth towards Duncan's sleeping quarters. We can see this vision likely to happen due to the bloody thoughts he has in his brain.
D) In act 2 scene 2 Lady Macbeth says"That which hath made them drunk hath made me bold. What hath quenched them hath given me fire." This is said while the murder is happening. This quote means that the alcohol she got the servants drunk with made her bold and fired her up. This shows the rush she has as she knows if the plan works her husband will be king of Scotland.
F)Macbeth and Lady Macbeth to me truly worked as a team and accomplished there goal of killing Duncan.
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