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Post by Mr. Thomas on May 2, 2014 6:50:13 GMT -5
"False face must hide what false heart doth know."
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Post by konrad on May 3, 2014 13:02:34 GMT -5
C. During this scenes, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth has a plan already set up to murder King Duncan, a respected that captured the hearts of his countrymen and his citizens. So, with the consideration with this couple actually doing this crime, why at first just simply pour some poison to his drink and later on just avoid suspension from his king’s men or from other powerful people, and blame it on the servant men of the king or his sons, for wanting the power as a king early. I know is a coward way to kill an important person , but come on, at least they will avoid suspension from other people.
D. “What beast was’t then/That made you break this enterprise to me?/When you durst do it, then you were a men./And to be more than what you were, you would/Be so much more the man” (Macbeth 20, Lady Macbeth). This quotation features some of the major themes that focus on Macbeth’s decision making which comes down with him killing his beloved king. Of course, there are many interpretations on which is decided how Lady Macbeth actually manipulated Macbeth to be convinced that killing his beloved king is a manly thing to do, in the eyes of Lady Macbeth obviously but not in the eyes of Macbeth. For him, he was bewildered about the prophecies that witches gave to him after his battle with the Vikings with onside Bonquo fighting with him. But, I think that his intentions to kill the king or not has come down to his decision for power or peace. However, this is only speculation on which him becoming the king after killing King Duncan will only do much with the support of the people of Scotland, where this play takes place. Let us see what will actually happen in Act II, there will be many surprises!
H. My imagination of this play would be actually based on video games that are already in the shelves of many popular video game stores. But, these scenes of the play on which Shakespeare brilliantly wrote have came to the very simply change to the entire play. I want this scene to feature some famous actor or actress to have this dramatic scene of the battle of love of the king or the power from the king.
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Post by liamgoldfarb on May 3, 2014 16:29:53 GMT -5
I. To answer Konrad’s question: “During this scenes, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth has a plan already set up to murder King Duncan, a respected that captured the hearts of his countrymen and his citizens. So, with the consideration with this couple actually doing this crime, why at first just simply pour some poison to his drink and later on just avoid suspension from his king’s men or from other powerful people, and blame it on the servant men of the king or his sons, for wanting the power as a king early. I know is a coward way to kill an important person, but come on, at least they will avoid suspension from other people.” I believe the answer as to why they would plot such a dramatic death is because we have to remember this was a play meant for entertainment. I don’t know about you but putting poison in someone’s drink simply is not as compelling as killing someone with a plan such as the one Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have created.
E. In previous scenes I have commented on how much of a fool I believe Duncan to be and in scene six we can really see his foolishness. “This castle hath a pleasant seat; the air/Nimbly and sweetly recommends itself/Unto our gentle senses.” Duncan is a fool to think that Macbeth’s castle has a pleasant setting; he has no clue Macbeth is plotting to kill him making him seem extremely stupid.
C. In class we mentioned something about the imagery of birds… can anyone explain that a little further?
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Post by Ben Ezquerra on May 4, 2014 9:13:33 GMT -5
D. "This castle hath a pleasant seat." (1) I like this line because it shows how innocent and trusting the king is and how Shakespeare makes his 'weak' in a way because he is clueless, but I actually like him and think that he shouldn't die. E. "When you durst do it, then you were a man;/And to be more than what you were, you would/Be so much more the man." (56-58) I hate her with a passion. She is the most manipulative, greedy, and evil woman in the whole book and she's also not smart. All she wants is to be queen so that she has power but her plan is actually terrible and she's not patient at all, so I really hope that this plan backfires on her (not Macbeth) but that will not probably happen, she is going to get away, if it backfires, and blame Macbeth. I. In response to liamgoldfarb: The birds that were flying around and nesting in the castle showed how nice and welcoming Macbeth's castle looked. They were all birds that are usually around in the spring and summer. This made the castle look more inviting and nicer as well as safe. However i think that Shakespeare did this on purpose and made it stand for the complete opposite of that, the house was actually not inviting at all. The people inside it were planning to kill their guest, and that is the complete opposite of what it looked like outside, so I guess, don't judge a book by its cover.
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Post by mikealiberti on May 4, 2014 20:06:43 GMT -5
A. Even though it seems inhumain with what Lady Macbeth was saying in scene 7 I feel that I could relate to what she was saying. My reasoning for this is because when she says "I would, while it was smiling in my face, have pluck'd my nipple from his boneless gums and dash'd the brains out, had I so sworn As you have done to this." she is saying that even the most crazy thing she would do just to show Macbeth that she would keep her word because he is going back on his. She has a very good way of convincing Macbeth in order to change his mind. E. I like the way Macbeth responded to his wife when she gave him the explanation that she did. Macbeth responds as if he is confused and does not know what he wants to do he says, "I am settled and bend up, each corporal agent to this terrible feat. Away, and mock the time with fairest show, False face must hide what the false heart doth know." He is trying to tell his wife that he is confused with what he wants to do and is not sure of what the outcome or consequences will be. \ C. I am confused in the way that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth originally wanted to kill King Duncan with.
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Post by mattmelio on May 4, 2014 21:38:02 GMT -5
E) I like how Lady Macbeth changed Macbeth's mind. He wasn't going to assassinate the king but when he told her that, she went crazy. She basically called him a wimp. She is very manipulative and is usually able to get what she wants. I think she just wanted Macbeth to kill the king just so that she can have the tittle of Queen when Macbeth becomes king.
C) Why did Macbeth suddenly get cold feet and decide not to kill the king? And when Lady Macbeth changed his mind, their plan to kill him seemed so complex and had a lot of holes. There were so many other easier ways to kill him. They could have just gotten Duncan drunk and then he could have "accidentally" fell out a window or something.
D) "This castle hath a pleasant seat." This quote is said by Duncan. I like this quote because it shows how Duncan is clueless to what is going on. He would never think that one of his top and loyal person would be planned to assassinate him.
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Post by andro on May 4, 2014 22:06:41 GMT -5
E. I don't understand Lady Macbeth. So her plan is to kill Duncan. She tries to turn herself into an evil person by talking to the spirits. But when Macbeth thinks through his decision of killing Duncan, she goes off on him. Like a modern day whore. Why does she go off on him? She starts saying that Macbeth isn't a real man. Why does she go off? Perfect example of why women ruin everything.
C. Also, mr.thomas told us to "keep an eye" when they bring up the birds. Like the raven and eagle. Why? I'm confused what they resemble
D. I like how Macbeth replied when his wife reproached him. He told her exactly how he felt and why he felt that way. That Duncan was a highly respected man and that the whole country would fall apart if he dies. Making macbeth's job a hundred times harder. She stayed calm even though his wife tried to manipulate him. Like mr.thomas said, never have a women like that. Great advice from father Thomas, will never forget.
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Post by richardliriano on May 4, 2014 22:31:33 GMT -5
C. “We will proceed no further in this business, he hath honour’d me of late, and I have brought Golden opinions from all sorts of people, which would be worn now in their newest gloss, not cast aside as soon” (Scene 7 Macbeth) This basically is saying how Macbeth no longer wants to kill Duncan. Then Lady Macbeth calls Macbeth a pussy, and just straight up calls him out. This shows that she doesn’t love him but rather she loves the power that he can give her. She is a woman that uses men for what they can offer. Which leads me to the question, why is Macbeth with her in the first place? Is she drop dead beautiful because she is making him KILL someone for her. Then that brings me to my next question, the plan that she concocted is not very good, there are so many other ways to kill Duncan so why do it in a way that has risks? Like for example if the guards get knocked out but then wake up again they could just hurt Macbeth. It just seems like Lady Macbeth really wants to kill Duncan and that her plan also involves Macbeth getting hurt. E. In the lines “This castle hath a pleasant seat; the air nimbly and sweetly recommends itself unto our gentle senses.”(Duncan Scene 6) Duncan is describing the castle of Macbeth and Lady Macbeth, his future killers, he says how pleasant and fresh the castle is and smells. He also praises Macbeth after just being double-crossed by the traitor that was the old Than of Cawdor. Duncan is not a good judge of character. He talks about how nice the appearance of the castle is but the reality is that he might die in that place. This shows the re-occurring theme of the play that is appearance vs. reality. The castle looks pleasant and swell but in reality it is a place of evil and death. I just wanted to point out how much of a bad judge of character is Duncan. I. in response to konrad, I agree that the plan to kill Duncan does involve people of high authority and is also not that best plan to begin with, but pouring poison in his drink is like stabbing someone in the back. It’s neither honorable nor manly. Which is why I think Macbeth has to kill Duncan himself.
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Post by grispinok16 on May 5, 2014 5:11:18 GMT -5
B. When Lady Macbeth is greeting to King Duncan at Macbeth’s castle she seems like a nice lady in her dialogue; however she and her husband are planning something dastardly. She says, “Your servants ever have theirs, themselves, and what is theirs in count to make their audit at your highness’ pleasure, still to return your own” (18), this means that your servants are trust worthy, will serve you and do what ever you ask them to do. Knowing her true intentions, she is saying that your savants are more trustworthy then I.
C. Since Macbeth is a soldier, why is he so hesitant in killing the king? He killed many other people earlier in the play, does it mater if the one giving the orders is royalty. A soldier doesn’t question orders, and his wife ordered him to kill the king so he needs to kill the king. Macbeth says, “This even-handed justice commands th’ingredience of our poison’d chalice” (19), he basically means that he doesn’t want to do this now that he his thinking about it, which is strange because he doesn’t question killing other soldiers.
D. Lady Macbeth is a cruel woman; she says so many dastardly things to Macbeth is kind of humorous. At one point she says, “I have give suck and know how tender ‘tis to love the babe the babe that milks me; I would, while it was smiling in my face, have pluck’d my nipple from his boneless gums and dash’d the brains out, had I so sworn as you have done this” (21), basically saying she wouldn’t go back on her word even if she had to dash a baby’s brains out. That kind of logic would get you arrested in today’s society.
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Post by johnnydriza on May 5, 2014 7:03:42 GMT -5
D.If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well. It were done quickly: if the assassination Could trammel up the consequence, and catch With his surcease success; that but this blow Might be the be-all and the end-all here, But here, upon this bank and shoal of time, We'ld jump the life to come. But in these cases We still have judgment here; that we but teachBloody instructions, which, being taught, returnTo plague the inventor: In this first half Of this aside Macbeth seems really conflicted as to whether or not to kill Duncan or not. He does not know if it's really worth the possible consequences seeing as he would become king anyway. On the other hand he wants to expedite the already known future but does not want to receive the position in a time of grievance. I. konrad he couldn't do that because the kings children were no where near the dinner when it happened. While the king was going there to celebrate his war victories, and at the same time recognizing Macbeth as the new thane of cawdor. This means the dinner could've been kept under wraps to the public and the kings family so as to avoid any questions about the change. H. Most of today's video games follow Shakespeare's amazing plots and characters. For example the plot is always complicated with many antagonists that you find throughout the game. You also find double crosses too, an example be the thane of cawdor. The characters themselves are always complex with story lines adding to their history and why their personality is the way it is. Shakespeare laid out the foundation for many media outlets and made them really interesting.
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Post by loweryj on May 5, 2014 18:08:21 GMT -5
E. In these scenes, we saw Lady Macbeth and Macbeth planning for how they were going to kill King Duncan, who had decided to stay with them. Lady Macbeth seemed to be the main planner and the more ambitious of the two of them. She is pretty ruthless for a nobleman’s wife. Later, Macbeth thinks about backing out of the plans that his wife has made. She truly realized that her husband was weak and she had to get him back in the saddle. She said "I would, while it was smiling in my face, have pluck'd my nipple from his boneless gums and dash'd the brains out, had I so sworn As you have done to this." She destroyed Macbeth and truly read him, when it came to how he was going to back out like a wimp. C. I don’t exactly understand the initial plan to kill Macbeth. What were Macbeth and Lady Macbeth going to use in order to kill King Duncan ?
A. The planning and the conspiring to kill Macbeth reminds me so much of my favorite tv show, “House of Cards”. It reminds me of how Frank Underwood and Doug Stamper would carry out their plans in order to get back at other politicians and make them able to look good and move up in politics.
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Post by jamespodias on May 13, 2014 4:24:51 GMT -5
D."It wee done quickly . If th' assassination ... Could trammel up the consequence and catch...With his surcease, success, that but this blow." I just wonder what is going through Macbeth's mind right now. He is contemplating on weather to kill King Duncan or not based on if there would be repercussions or consequences. Of course there are! I don't know how he expects to kill a king and get away with it cleanly. I think he needs to rethink his plan and if even killing him is the best option. There are other ways to make Duncan step down besides killing him and he needs to explore them. E. For a second in this scene I thought that Macbeth would refrain from killing Duncan, but again I was wrong. He starts to think about the reasons why he shouldn't kill Duncan which was good bur unfortunately he doesn't take them into consideration. He eventually does say he will not kill Duncan but his wife will have none of it. She is the one now who is devising the plan to kill him. Well one this is for sure if It wasn't for Lady Macbeth than Duncan would be alive and well. C. I am confused on one thing from this scene. As macbeth and Lady Macbeth prepare to kill Duncan do they still know that there is another person still lying between them and the throne, Duncan's Son. So even if they do kill Duncan they do not immediately claim the throne and then would have to kill two people of royalty, which if they get caught can have very serious consequences.
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Post by thomasclark16 on Jun 4, 2014 17:55:55 GMT -5
D) In Act 1 scene 6 12-13 Duncan says "The love that follows us sometimes is our trouble". This means that the love sometimes inconveniences us, but we still acknowledge it as love. He says this to Lady Macbeth and I see it as kind of a foreshadowing because it is saying how the relationship between Duncan and his servants can lead to trouble and that trouble can possibly be Macbeth's plan to kill Duncan.
E) I liked the scene where Macbeth rethinks the plan for killing Duncan. He rethinks about what can be the consequences after the murder, as it is a violation of hospitality. He also rethinks it because Duncan is a good king and doesn't need to die.
C) Why does Lady Macbeth always practically make decisions for Macbeth? Like he is a man that should be able to decide for himself. I know some of it is out of greed but still.
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